Pt 2: Governance in Fiction, with Shauna Gordon-McKeon (episode 21)
Whether you think about it or not, many stories we know are chock full of governance. This is the second part of my chat with writer and programmer Shauna Gordon-McKeon. I enjoyed learning about governance in last week’s episode, but the conversation we had in this episode is my favorite. We get into what inspires us to (or to not) take action, the laziness of dictatorship-topple stories, and the ethics and logistics of writing major and minor characters. I also go off on a tangent about Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut because of course I do. If you have a governance story you love or just want to share your thoughts about, feel free to email me at researchholepodcast@gmail.com.
Read Shauna’s story, Sunlight, for the After the Storm anthology here: https://medium.com/after-the-storm/sunlight-cdb9bb0be8bc
This note from Shauna: There's a good article by Ada Palmer and Jo Walton on how over-reliance on heroic narratives leads to conspiracy thinking: https://www.uncannymagazine.com/article/the-protagonist-problem/. I don't think I referenced it explicitly but it's very relevant.
If you want to read two very articulate views on the politics of Black Panther written by actual Black people, as an antidote to Shauna and I—two white people—just riffing, check out “There Is Much to Celebrate–and Much to Question–About Marvel's Black Panther” by Steven Thrasher and “The Passionate Politics of ‘Black Panther’” by Richard Brody.
If you want to not be like Shauna and I and actually read the books we reference, you can check out Workshops of Empire: Stegner, Engle, and American Creative Writing During the Cold War by Eric Bennett. The book I couldn’t remember the name of in the podcast was called Craft in the Real World: Rethinking Fiction Writing and Workshopping by Mathew Salesses.
Before you plant nerds come at me, yes, I misspoke. Technically, rhubarb is a vegetable, though it is legally a fruit! So I was kind of right! The Huffpost article “So What Exactly IS Rhubarb, Anyway?” explains this distinction further.
The article Leah referenced in her Something I Learned This Week email is “Listen to the Sick Beats of Rhubarb Growing in the Dark” on Atlas Obscura.
Justice for rhubarb!
You can learn more about Shauna by following her on twitter at @shauna_gm or visiting her website: http://www.shaunagm.net/. You can find bonus material, including a brief preview paragraph from Shauna’s governance story-in-progress by supporting me, Val Howlett, on Patreon.